January 07, 2004

WHO ARE THESE PEOPLE?

In an Ask MetaFilter thread, katemonkey links to an image of a booklet she found called The Famous Words Of The Nationa [sic] Famous Person, with crude pictures of twelve National Famous Persons and legends in Chinese (presumably identifying and quoting them). A couple of them are obvious (Twain, Shakespeare), but if anyone's Chinese is good enough to identify them all, I will post the information on the thread and there will be much rejoicing.

Posted by languagehat at January 7, 2004 10:44 AM
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Only guessing (I speak no Chinese, and anyway, I doubt anyone could even distinguish those characters): the first and third ones in the first photo look like Moses and Einstein, respectively. In the second photo, I'm pretty much sure the second one is a French author (Balzac? Zola? Flaubert?). The fourth one looks like Confucius, and the fifth one might be Cervantes.

Posted by: at January 7, 2004 11:11 AM

I could read them all if the characters were a bit larger and clearer.

The one on the far right looks like Meryl Streep, and I think her quote is: "You can't get spoiled if you do your own ironing."

Posted by: C. Maoxian at January 7, 2004 11:37 AM

Ditto -- the scan is too blurry to make out the characters. The one which is scanned larger at the bottom is Tolstoy, though (Ch. Tuoersitai). Can we contact the owner of that site and ask her to rescan the bookmarks at a higher resolution and out of their plastic sleeves?

Posted by: xiaolongnu at January 7, 2004 11:42 AM

Thanks -- I posted your answer on the MeFi thread. No better scan will be forthcoming, though; katemonkey says:

And I don't have bigger pictures of the images, I'm afraid. I scanned these in while I was working, and now...I'm not. Plus, they're currently in a box somewhere, and I'm not sure where they are.

Posted by: language hat at January 7, 2004 12:01 PM

I can't make out the characters on the bookmarks
very well either, but the title is very clear.
It says "words of WORLD famous people" (emphasis mine), not "national".

Posted by: Bill Poser at January 7, 2004 12:11 PM

The 3rd one on the top row/2nd on bottom row looks like Edgar Allen Poe. The fourth one on the top row is clearly Michael Jackson.

Posted by: The Enemy at January 7, 2004 12:18 PM

Don't know any Chinese, but I'm willing to bet the one on the far right on the top row with the open collar is Percy Bysshe Shelley. The third one from the left on the bottom row might be Chekhov. To his right is the British children's television character Catweazle.

Posted by: CB at January 7, 2004 12:50 PM

You can check out portraits of your candidates at Google Images here. I now think my guess about Chekhov is correct and the "French novelist" on the top row is almost certainly Emile Zola.

Posted by: CB at January 7, 2004 12:59 PM

Second one on bottom row, Turgenev?

Posted by: CB at January 7, 2004 01:01 PM

Sorry, it's probably Balzac (I mistook his cravat for a beard).

Posted by: CB at January 7, 2004 01:03 PM

Well done CB (hope people aren't mistaking us for each other around these parts).

Here are the fruits of my timewasting session.


1Tolstoy
2 [oddly familiar]
3Einstein
4Shelley

1 [no clue]
2Poe
3Chekhov
4 [no clue]
5 [I?ll crack this one soon]
6Shakespeare
7Stalin?
8 [I know I know this]

refs:

http://englishhistory.net/byron/images/shelley.jpg
Shelley

http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Bluffs/7745/chekhov/
Chekhov

http://www.epfl.net/exhibits/poe/docs/gallery1.html
Poe

http://www.utoronto.ca/tolstoy/gallery/tour/image13.html
Tolstoy

Posted by: commonbeauty at January 7, 2004 01:24 PM

OK, I'll change my moniker from CB to Xblogger to avoid confusion. Since I've got some time to waste, I'll have a few more stabs at the answers. I still think number 2 bottom row is Balzac (after he's been on the Atkins diet) rather than Poe. Vaguer guesses: number 1, bottom row, Wordsworth? Number 5, Francis Bacon (the author of Advancement of Learning, not the painter)? I now suspect last one on the bottom row is not a woman but a man wearing a wig, maybe a peruke. So - very unsure guess- Alexander Pope?

Posted by: XBlogger at January 7, 2004 01:57 PM

This is interesting detective work.

I have no further identifications at the moment. But, here are my clues:

#2 above seems French, German or Russian, a doctor or a writer.

#4 below might be a Chinese sage. Confucius or Lao Tzu?

#5 below is, by the costume, late 16th c. or early 17th c. A humanist or an explorer.

#8 is driving me crazy. It's not Keats, not Liszt, not Chopin, not Goethe. But he's a 19th century writer or composer, and a Romantic.

Posted by: commonbeauty at January 7, 2004 02:00 PM

Number 2 above is definitely Zola. Evidence here.

Posted by: XBlogger at January 7, 2004 02:04 PM

Aha!

#1 below is Goethe. For sure. :)

Posted by: commonbeauty at January 7, 2004 02:07 PM

#8 Isaac Newton? I think it's definitely some sort of wig, look at the centre parting there.

Posted by: XBlogger at January 7, 2004 02:09 PM

Evidence for Goethe
inkpot.com/classical/ beethoven.html (scroll down).

Your "evidence" for Zola is very far from being definite. I would only be convinced by a match on the outfit, the style of the beard and its color. As it is, all you got is a guy with beard and glasses.

Lemme think about the Newton. (I too had suspected Newton, but I couldn't find any image of Newton that young. And is that a wig, and not yellow hair?).

Posted by: commonbeauty at January 7, 2004 02:12 PM

Youse guys are amazing. I just hope no one ever mistakes my beard for a cravat.

Posted by: language hat at January 7, 2004 02:15 PM

#4 below is really bugging me. Maybe in an attempt to be more "internationa" it's a rather Westernised Rabindranath Tagore. Evidence here (scroll down, alongside Einstein).

Posted by: XBlogger at January 7, 2004 02:29 PM

Your Tagore is definitely believable. An excellent find, the face really matches, as does the beard. One wonders what the criterion were for selection for the series. Probably whatever images they were able to find in some disused encyclopedia.

I still think #8 below is something painfully obvious that we're not seeing.

Posted by: commonbeauty at January 7, 2004 02:40 PM

"criteria"

Posted by: commonbeauty at January 7, 2004 02:43 PM

Maybe the secret of their criteria would be revealed if we knew what quotations they've chosen. The absence of Dickens is puzzling as he's almost obligatory for this kind of thing. No Dante either.

Posted by: XBlogger at January 7, 2004 03:03 PM

There is a reason why both Chinese people and Chinese scholars all wear glasses.... reading Chinese is not good for your eyes!

Posted by: Kerim Friedman at January 7, 2004 03:49 PM

Kerim, last time I had glasses fitted I took a page from my "Ci Yuan" in to show them what I was dealing with. I tried to design trifocals with a magnifying glass on the bottom, but it was too inconvenient, so I'm going to just buy a magnifying glass.

In Taiwan women seemed to think that glasses were sexy. They also seemed afraid of macho guys, even if they were Chinese macho guys. Two points for China in the Battle of Civilizations.

Posted by: zizka at January 7, 2004 05:13 PM

I.2 looks like Freud to me.

II.7's moustache screams "de Maupassant" to me, but I'm not sure he was blonde.

II.5 could be Walter Raleigh, but so could anyone with a ruff and that hair/beard arrangement.

Posted by: Aidan Kehoe at January 8, 2004 06:57 AM

#8 Voltaire?

Posted by: suz at January 8, 2004 08:28 AM

Truly a seductive time-waster.

#2 looks more like Louis Pasteur than Zola to me. As for the others:

First row:
1. Missed that one fer shur.
3. Yeah, Einstein.
4. I'm also going with Shelley.

Second row:
5. At first I thought Mozart, but the collar's wrong.
6. Poe.
7. Frankenstein, but the neck bolts are missing.
8. Huh?
9. Francis Bacon, but all those guys in ruffs looks alike.
10. Shakespeare.
11. No clue. Mark Twain with a never before seen haircut?
12. I thought "Romantic Poet" or Isaac Newton, but can't find any images to persuade.

Still obsessing.

Posted by: Moira Breen at January 8, 2004 11:28 AM

Upon further obsessing:

1 Tolstoy
2 Zola
3 Twain
4 Shelley

bottom row

1 Byron
2 Balzac
3 Chekhov
4 Tagore
5 Bacon
6 Shakespear
7 de Maupassant
8 Voltaire

Someone better dig into that box and solve this before we all go mad!

Posted by: suz at January 8, 2004 12:32 PM

Revised guesses:

#11 (or row 2 #7) is supposed to be Nietzsche.

I think Xblogger is correct that row 2, #2 is Balzac, just back from the fat farm. (Not Poe.)

Row 1, #3 isn't Einstein.

OK, enough goofin' off for now.

Posted by: Moira Breen at January 8, 2004 03:20 PM

I'm really leaning toward Freud for I.2 and Stalin for II.7. I'm not convinced about the Einstein at all. E is almost always depicted with white hair, and if the can do the so-called Tolstoy and that other guy with white hair, I'm pretty sure they'd do E.

I'm also not convinced of the total male domination. Both of the effeminate ones (I.4, II.8) are wearing pink. I do not think that's a coincidence. (although, Michael Jackson -- whoa! Maybe this is his model.)

Perhaps someone would like to call the phone number and ask.

Posted by: marian at January 8, 2004 07:42 PM

#1 on the bottom is William Blake.

Posted by: Kid British at January 12, 2004 03:36 AM

1: Tolstoy - Freud - Einstein - Shelley
2: Blake - Twain - Chekhov - Tagore - Bacon (first thought was Drake, though) - de Maupassant (definitely) - Newton

I'm thinking the characters in the lower leftcorner are nationality.

Posted by: Baloney at January 12, 2004 11:32 AM

I appear to concur with others; I'm sure #2 is Freud, and 5 Below is Bacon.

Posted by: Sigivald at January 14, 2004 04:03 PM

Do I note an English-language bias among the respondents here? My votes: First row: Tolstoy, Zola, ? (looks like Einstein but all the others are literary; just possibly Mark Twain but I'm not totally convinced; could he be one of those early Nobel winners from Scandinavia you've never heard of?), Shelley. Second row: Goethe, Balzac, Chekhov, Tagore, Montaigne, Shakespeare, Gorky--and then the killer. I know I've seen this image on a book jacket. Some 18th C. rebel--no wig, no cravat--but which? It isn't Voltaire. But I've stayed up far too late pawing through my books and peering at the little pictures in the Petit Larousse...

Posted by: Fontaine Fox at January 15, 2004 01:28 AM