February 06, 2004

THE PERILS OF VOWELLESSNESS.

From Nancy Gandhi's under the fire star:

In the Urdu alphabet, the short vowels are not written. So, if you read chaat you will see an 'a'; but the letters 'cht' could be pronounced chat, chit or chut. Chat means 'roof,' but chut is a part of the female body. Once a friend of mine who was an Urdu teacher told me that in the school where he taught foreigners, one of the early reading tests always included the sentence, "When it is hot, I sleep on the roof." Invariably, some poor sucker would read, "When it is hot, I sleep on the (female body part)," and all the teachers would snicker like little boys. I guess it shows that embarrassment is an excellent way to imprint something in one's memory.

Posted by languagehat at February 6, 2004 12:49 PM
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When I was in Taiwan (I talk about my year and a half a lot here.... I really have to start travelling again) there was a legal case. A boy had a personal name which sounded like "a part of the female body" in one of the Chinese languages spoken in Taiwan. He applied for a name change, the judge turned him down, and he hanged himself. Bullying is as brutal in Taiwan as in Japan, I think. (Though as Frank Zappa told Ahmed, or maybe Dweezil or Moon Unit, if they're going to tease you they're going to tease you, regardless).

I've told the story several times and now I'm trying to figure out which dialexcts they were. It's hard to imagine anyone in Taiwan giving a kid that sounds bad in Mandarin, unless it was a very recent and uneducated arrival. Possibly a native Mandarin speaker could be ignorant of the Hokkien or Hakka version of the name.

Posted by: zizka at February 6, 2004 01:32 PM

I think the latter must be the case. When I was in Taiwan (and I talk about it a lot too -- let's face it, it's a fascinating place) hardly any Mandarin speakers botherered to learn the local dialect (which Kerim Friedman wants me to call Hoklo: Kerim, this is for you!), so I can easily see this happening. Still, the response seems over the top. (And if I were Dweezil, I'd have punched the old bastard out. I can't stand people who take out their hip-dudity on their helpless offspring.)

Posted by: language hat at February 6, 2004 02:47 PM

Embarrassment, and kids' willingness to cause it, might be among the reasons why it's so much more easy to get accentless in a foreign language as a child.

Posted by: Aidan Kehoe at February 6, 2004 04:03 PM

Just off the top, the names Walter, Harold sort of, Wilbur, Elmer especially, Homer way especially, and more than a few others, depending on the ethnicity of the named and the social contexts in which they moved, could cause their bearers to be ridiculed in present-day "multiverse" America. And the forbearance of the naming parents in light of that potential ridicule means these names, most of them the echoes of real-life heroes, begin to die out.
Not that Moon-Unit fits that diagram, but that the unfitness of a name and its malfunction as an abuse-magnet may have a lot more to do with pathology in the culture, rather than parental child-as-accoutrement fashionism.
And out-punching seems a might severe, in any case.
One thinks, fondly, of Ima Hogg, pride of Mineola, highly respected philanthropist, daughter of James Stephen Hogg, Governor of Texas.

Posted by: msg at February 6, 2004 10:07 PM

And Percy. Shelley. As well.

Posted by: msg at February 6, 2004 10:12 PM

I hate vowels. I'm trying to learn Korean and they all sound the same.

Posted by: Duckling at February 7, 2004 05:40 AM

Duckling -- same with Mongol. They often write them the same too. They're supposed to have long and short versions of five vowels, but only have three written forms.

This proves that Mongol and Korean are closely related.

Posted by: zizka at February 7, 2004 05:55 PM

Actually, it's pronounced "chaati", and means chest in Urdu (and Hindi, and Punjabi).

Posted by: goethean at February 7, 2004 10:38 PM

Actually, it's pronounced "chhat," and means 'roof.'

Posted by: language hat at February 7, 2004 10:54 PM

Living as an expat in East Jerusalem, I struggled to learn Arabic and never succeeded, to my eternal shame. I still contend that the Arabic class I was in had a very bad atmosphere, and it never occurred to my callow self to seek tutoring. Anyway, everything seemed to mean something silly in Arabic if mispronounced or simply uttered. "Aaron" (the name) sounded like Airr-an (meaning, supposedly, "two dick", though all I know is that something sounding like "Airr" meant "dick" in Arabic), and "kuss" (Deutsch) sounded like a word all who've spent any time in an Arab country will recall.

Sadly, as I got through this comment, I realized my memories of mispronunciations in Arabic have been repressed and I can't remember what they meant. But to redeem it, I learned the word "bint" as a normal nice Arabic word before it was picked up by English speakers as an insult, and it gave great puzzlement, and then amusement to see it in English usage. Strange, considering Arabic has nice, long, evocative cursing (though I always contended that English had a monopoly on the short, sharp and coarse ejaculation, so perhaps someone wanted an Arabic word that was short and harsh).

Posted by: Nathaniel at February 8, 2004 12:43 AM

Must add something to increase the relevance, a lot of mistakes came from not being able to see the vowels while reading Arabic, followed by laughter.

Posted by: Nathaniel at February 8, 2004 12:45 AM

Having grown up with the name Prentiss Arol Sumner Riddle, I nevertheless subscribe to the theory that unusual names help build character.

And they have a further advantage in the age of Google. If I'm wrong this is no doubt the place to get shot down, but I think I'm still the only Prentiss Riddle on the net.

Posted by: Prentiss Riddle at February 8, 2004 04:20 PM

I learned the word "bint" as a normal nice Arabic word before it was picked up by English speakers as an insult

You learned it before mid-C19? Respec.

Posted by: Marco at February 8, 2004 04:51 PM

That would be the Prentiss Arol Sumner Riddle born on the 4th of November, 1959 in Travis County, Texas, right?

Posted by: John Hardy at February 8, 2004 09:15 PM

Where can one get sound files of the Urdu and Hindi names for the chaati, chhat, whatever? Am very interested in seeing some Sanskrit characters. I've seen Russian on some of the blogs. Does anyone know a blogger who puts both Roman alphabet and Hindi, or Hindi and Cyrillic, Bengali and English, etc.?
I was delighted to get off work, from my new job with the State of Georgia, turn the key in the ignition of my pickup, turn on the radio, and hear Northern Indian/Pakistani hip-hop and other pop. I was rockin' and groovin' down the Interstate toward our cottage in sleepy onion country. Methinks I'm going to get serious about the Gujarati, since a good dozen or so families reside in my county.

Posted by: jean-pierre at February 8, 2004 10:46 PM

Marco: Ooh, yeah, I must really have not been paying attention when I wrote that. I just meant that I'd seen it in Arabic first, and then seen the English curse word. I didn't realize I'd made any assumptions about its age in English. *color me embarrassed*

Posted by: Nathaniel at February 9, 2004 07:35 AM

I think unusual names are *wonderful*. Someone who is most likely related to my family found me through my website, because of the unusualness of my (our) last name. He's Russian, so he transliterates it slightly differently, but it's close enough. Unfortunately, I know no Russian, so the communication problem means we've been unable to determine whether our families are related or not.

Michelle (Klishis)

Posted by: Michelle at February 9, 2004 11:57 AM

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Posted by: speedwell at February 9, 2004 12:11 PM

When studying Chinese I was surprised how often older female language instructors, who otherwise seemed to by paragons of "proper" behavior, would ask students if they liked "eating tofu." Eating tofu is a euphamism for a sexual act, and they seemed to find it very funny to trick (male) students into admitting that they enjoyed doing it.

PS: Thanks LH.

Posted by: Kerim Friedman at February 12, 2004 09:41 AM