July 30, 2005

QUIZ.

Name another city that falls into the same category as Carthage and Chiang Mai.

Posted by languagehat at July 30, 2005 05:53 PM
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Timbuktu? Never quite abandoned, but certainly a shadow of itself when it was the centre of a huge and powerful empire.

Posted by: Aidan Kehoe at July 30, 2005 06:06 PM

Constantinople--it begins with a "C" and it was a great city, a crossroads.

Posted by: mj at July 30, 2005 06:12 PM

Pachacamac maybe?

I haven't been there but I understand that there's still a small village there.

Posted by: Kattullus at July 30, 2005 06:31 PM

Newton, MA. And many other Newtons.

Posted by: Dave Burkitt at July 30, 2005 06:53 PM

Ha, yes, of course. I think Dave has it. So, Kota Bharu, Malaysia. According to Wikipedia, anyway.

Posted by: Tim May at July 30, 2005 07:01 PM

Yup, Dave has it. Those were the two least transparent ones I could come up with (more obvious ones being, eg, Novgorod or Naples), but Kota Bharu is excellent.

Posted by: language hat at July 30, 2005 07:39 PM

Pondicherry, India; arguably Novosibirsk, Russia; and maybe even Neuchâtel, Switzerland?

And, naturally, New City, New York, USA. Talk about your uncreative names.

(This page was a lot of help.)

Posted by: pmdboi at July 30, 2005 07:43 PM

There're a fair number of Villeneuves in France and Switzerland. (In Brittany too, so a Kernevez as well.)

Posted by: Robert Staubs at July 30, 2005 08:05 PM

Villanova, Pennsylvania.

Posted by: Isabel at July 30, 2005 08:45 PM

Bagumbayan in the province of Sultan Kudarat in the Philippines. There are also several Bagumbayans which are barangays (villages) within some municipalities throughout the country.

--Chris

Posted by: Christopher Sundita at July 30, 2005 09:21 PM

There's a French prose-poem about a very old Pont Neuf by Aloysius Bertrand, though I don't have it here.

Posted by: John Emerson at July 30, 2005 09:30 PM

Maybe this is what John is thinking of:

" N'importe ! dit-il un peu confus, Chateauneuf et
Chateauvieux ne sont qu'un même château. Aussi bien il
est temps de débaptiser le Pont-Neuf. "

Posted by: J. Cassian at July 31, 2005 03:17 AM

Waiter, a magnum of Châteauneuf du Pape for the table!

Posted by: language hat at July 31, 2005 08:20 AM

After posting last night, I looked for more examples with Google (I was hoping to find one that began with C... no luck). Those not mentioned above include (allegedly):
Geni Shehir (or Yenişehir -Turkish name for Larissa, Greece, and old name for Çankaya, a district of Ankara)
Navekat (Sogdian city near Krasnaya Rechka, Kyrgyzstan)
Nevsehir (Nevşehir, Turkey)
Nowshera (Pakistan)
Shahr-i-Naw (a district of Kabul, and in the 14th century a town near Pandua, West Bengal)

Posted by: Tim May at July 31, 2005 10:01 AM

Then, of course, there's Cartagena, originally Carthago Nova - a nice torpenhowe.

Posted by: Jim Parish at July 31, 2005 10:35 AM

Cartaghe is the roman name for Qart Hadast.
There are plenty Villanueva and Vilanovas in spanish and portuguese toponymy.

Posted by: silmarillion at July 31, 2005 11:00 AM

Thans Cassian!

Posted by: John Emerson at July 31, 2005 11:05 AM

Jim just beat me on my attempted one up on Cartagena, but I'll do it in triplicate with Nueva Cartagena FC. I suppose the "a" is all that is left from Punic and the "na" from Latin. Do you happen to know if Cartagena came to be Cartagena through an Arabic intermediary toponym - like Caesaraugusta > Saraqusta > Zaragoza?

Posted by: Satyadasa at July 31, 2005 06:47 PM

In Dalmatia: Novigrad (not far away is Starigrad).

In Hercegovina: Herceg Novi

In Bosnia: Bosanski Novi.

In Italy: Napoli

In Sydney there has been a Newtown for years, so when they developed a new suburb recently they called it Newington.

Posted by: zyxt at July 31, 2005 09:18 PM

Qart-Hadasch "new city", Colonia Urbs Iulia Nova Carthago, Qartayannat al- Halfa, Qartayanna, Cartagena.

Posted by: silmarillion at August 1, 2005 12:55 AM

Newcastle? (No, too obvious).

How about Novy Sad?

Posted by: bathrobe at August 1, 2005 01:45 AM

Ujlengyel or Ujpuszta. Both small though.

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Posted by: mark at August 1, 2005 09:40 AM

Or Nieuwstad in Groningen. Is there a lower size limit?

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Posted by: mark at August 1, 2005 09:43 AM

New Munich, Minesota, pop. 213.

Nova Scotia.

Posted by: John Emerson at August 1, 2005 01:39 PM

Newmarket (UK, Canada, etc.)

Posted by: bathrobe at August 1, 2005 08:43 PM

There's also a town called Novo mesto ("new town") in Slovenia.

Posted by: ill-advised at August 2, 2005 08:29 AM

how about (pardon my uneducated transcription) Nizhnij Novgorod? I once heard, I believe, that this means "New New City", but they/I may have been mistaken. . . .

Posted by: [libcat] at August 3, 2005 12:17 PM

No, I'm afraid it means 'lower new city'; there is considerable controversy over what it's lower than (perhaps the town of Gorodets), or whether it's simply on the lower reaches of the river.

Posted by: language hat at August 3, 2005 12:34 PM

Newstead.

Posted by: bathrobe at August 4, 2005 08:40 AM

新竹市, in Taiwan.

http://www.hccg.gov.tw/

Posted by: Micah at August 9, 2005 10:44 AM

Which is Hsinchu in the official transliteration (Wikipedia entry). But it means 'new bamboo,' and I was really looking for names that mean 'new city' or 'new town.' I suppose the Chinese would be Xincheng (Hsin-ch'eng); there are a few places of that name, but I don't know if the last character is the one for 'city.'

Posted by: language hat at August 9, 2005 11:37 AM