Do you suppose Kleinzahler actually wrote "The humor is deadpan, ironical, playfully depreciating" or is that last word a mistranscription of "deprecating"?

"No hay ejercicio intelectual que no sea finalmente inútil." (J.L.Borges)
http://www.literatura.us/borges/pierre.html

Good question! Given the poor quotation habits of reporters (recently under intense scrutiny at Language Log), I'll opt for the latter, but if he did say "depreciating," I'm willing to be tolerant, since that's one of those pairs of words I've always had trouble with myself.

I just read Kleinzahler's piece on Garrison Keillor. What I take away from it is that Kleinzahler dislikes the kind of poetry Keillor likes, and is prepared to be insufferable about it: he has an idea of what poetry should be and will disparage anything that doesn't fit his idea and anyone who likes such poetry. I wanted to slap the Robin Williams character in "Dead Poets Society" for exactly the same reason.

I had other reasons for wanting to slap the Robin Williams character in "Dead Poets' Society"; but yours will do.

BTW does that Borges line mean, "There are no intellectual exercises which are not, in the end, useless"? I've recently been reading some of his poetry and finding it deeply affecting or not at all, depending on which poem -- no middle ground -- not sure if that is true of my reaction to poetry in general.

the name nardeen means friend.

"There is no exercise of the intellect which is not, in the final analysis, useless. A philosophical doctrine begins as a plausible description of the universe; with the passage of the years it becomes a mere chapter--if not a paragraph or a name--in the history of philosophy. In literature, this eventual caducity is even more notorious. The Quixote --Menard told me--was, above all, an entertaining book; now it is the occasion for patriotic toasts, grammatical insolence and obscene de luxe editions. Fame is a form of incomprehension, perhaps the worst."

From: "Pierre Menard, Author of the Quixote"
Trans. James E. Irby
http://www.english.swt.edu/cohen_p/avant-garde/Literature/Borges/Menard.html

God, I hated it when Robin Williams went off drugs.

I think Oscar Wilde said it best: "Writing poetry is nothing to be ashamed of, so long as you do it in private, and wash your hands immediately afterward." (I could be wrong about the author of this quote)

There is a common school of thought that language is just a tool, i.e., learning a foreign language is not very useful in itself, what is important is what you do with it (as a secondary tool that helps you do your job, getting somewhere, whatever). I've always found this line of thinking insufferably narrow. After some thought I eventually rejected it several years ago. Surely a language, like poetry, is something to be appreciated for itself, not simply as a means to an end!

Today I read both Kleinzahler's piece and then this by Keillor. What a pair of officemates these guys would make! Maybe in the next life, they'll be on the same faculty committee.

If memory serves, Keillor has a pretty good bit in Lake Wobegon Days about a college kid churning out reams of bad poetry. I think aspiring poets might benefit more from that than they would from Kleinzahler's rant.

I think people sometimes quote Jack Spicer's " No one listens to poetry." without bearing in mind that the next sentence is "The ocean / Does not mean to be listened to."