August 17, 2009

SWEARING IN AUSTRALIA.

Caroline Marcus has an entertaining report on Aussie cussing in the Sydney Morning Herald:

The University of Queensland's Roly Sussex, a professor of applied language studies, said that in terms of attitudes to swearing, the US and Australia were on opposite ends of the spectrum, with Britain in the middle.

He pointed to the Prime Minister's dropping of the word "shitstorm" on national television in March as a reflection of Australian mores. "The sort of words that Mr Rudd has been using in the media are completely unacceptable for President Barack Obama to be using," Professor Sussex said. "Some people even thought the Prime Minister's use of the S-word in the media made him sound more like an everyday person."

So, too, Tourism Australia's 2006 campaign, "Where the Bloody Hell Are You?" "That had trouble in England because of the word 'bloody' and it had trouble in Canada because of the word 'hell'," Professor Sussex said. "Neither caused the slightest trouble in Australia."

Now, that's what I call a healthy attitude.

Posted by languagehat at August 17, 2009 06:42 PM
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Shades of Douglas Adams. Ahem-hem:

In today's modern Galaxy there is of course very little still held to be unspeakable. Many words and expressions which only a matter of decades ago were considered so distastefully explicit that were they merely to be breathed in public, the perpetrator would be shunned, barred from polite society, and in extreme cases shot through the lungs, are now thought to be very healthy and proper, and their use in everyday speech is seen as evidence of a well-adjusted, relaxed, and totally un*BEEP*ed up personality.

So for instance, when in a recent national speech the Financial Minister of the Royal World Estate of Quarlvista actually dared to say that due to one thing and another and the fact that no one had made any food for a while and the King seemed to have died and that most of the population had been on holiday now for over three years, the economy was now in what he called 'one whole joojooflop situation', everyone was so pleased he felt able to come out and say it that they quite failed to notice that their five thousand year old civilization had just collapsed overnight.

But though even words like joojooflop, swut, and turlingdrome are now perfectly acceptable in common usage there is one word that is still beyond the pale. The concept it embodies is so revolting that the publication or broadcast of the word is utterly forbidden in all parts of the Galaxy, except one where they don't know what it means. The word is 'belgium' and it is only ever used by loose tongued people like Zaphod Beeblebrox in situations of dire provocation.

Posted by: Niels G. at August 17, 2009 07:17 PM

As most people are aware, Australia was first populated by convicts from Britain. As a result, there's a strong egalitarian tradition in Australia, one that doesn't take too kindly to anyone seemingly lofty or highfalutin, and a love of the larrikin (Aussie slang for the fun-loving jokester or the common man's smart arse).

These values are reflected in the Australian Parliament, which is renowned for its invective and gutter language.

Paul Keating, a former prime minister, had a particularly fine way with words, and especially those of the sharper variety.

Many of his insults can be found here: http://www.webcity.com.au/keating/

(My favourite: Costello (a political opponent) is all tip and no iceberg)

Famously too, when a government minister told the then Prime Minister, Bob Hawke, that it was time for him to move on, he said it with the words "Pull out digger, the dogs are pissing on your swag."

In Australia, a digger is a soldier (I think the term started back when soldiers dug trenches in WWI), and the word has expanded its sense to mean something akin to comrade, but without the communist connotations.

A swag is a bag of belongings tied to the end of a stick that Australian itinerants used to carry around with them over their shoulder.

So that phrase, in less colourful language, means "It's time for you to move along".

Posted by: Manolis at August 18, 2009 02:03 AM

Manolis,

oh man, thanks so much, what a treasure trove that one is!
"I'm sticking to you two like shit to a blanket" is pretty awesome, but I am so stealing the "intellectual rust bucket."

Posted by: bulbul at August 18, 2009 03:43 AM

Paul Keating: "Where you all come aguster is, over here we think we're born to rule you. And let me tell you this, it's been ingrained in me from childhood, I think my mission in life is to run you."

I don't think I've ever heard 'to come aguster' before, and it doesn't come up if I google it.

Posted by: A.J.P. Crown at August 18, 2009 05:36 AM

"Digger" and "the Dirty Digger" have long been nicknames for Rupert Murdoch. Private Eye was calling him Digger in the 'sixties.

Posted by: A.J.P. Half Crown at August 18, 2009 08:15 AM

Niels G., on that quote, this is an interesting little factoid.

Posted by: Aidan Kehoe at August 18, 2009 09:01 AM

An Adelaide estate agent offered us a house to rent and then said "Oh but the yard's too dinky-winky for your littly". Curse-worthy, don't you think?

Posted by: dearieme at August 18, 2009 09:22 AM

A.J.P. Crown, that Paul Keating snip is a misquote.

It should be "come a gutser": see here. I doubt very much whether the expression is used by many people these days. I only have dim recollections of hearing it during my childhood in the 60s/70s.

[Also: 'where the bloody hell are you?' was a stupid and embarrassing campaign slogan. Sure we're loose with the swearing, but it's no reason to cast it as a quasi-national symbol for tourism purposes. Idiots.]

Posted by: peacay at August 18, 2009 10:06 AM

Keating's is not a rapier wit.

Posted by: John Emerson at August 18, 2009 10:34 AM

I hadn't heard 'come a gutser' either, but it's easier to understand.

Posted by: A.J.P. Half Man, Half Crown at August 18, 2009 10:45 AM

"As most people are aware, Australia was first populated by convicts from Britain"

I was certainly not aware of that ....

Posted by: michael farris at August 18, 2009 11:48 AM

Although he used the word "shitstorm" in an interview, Kevin Rudd quickly corrected himself. The verbal gaffe caught everyone by surprise and received much coverage on the news as a result. Even though we may be a bit less uptight about swearing than Americans, we still do not expect our prime minister to swear on national TV. Swearing on TV seems to be reserved for the late night timeslot - comedy shows and American movies are by far the biggest offenders.

On another note, Rudd is more famous for mixing "archaic Australianisms" (as the ABC TV put it) with his convoluted and very boring ex-public service lingo. An example of his archaic Australianism: "Fair shake of the sauce bottle"

Posted by: zyxt at August 18, 2009 12:08 PM

I'm with Michael Farris. I was under the strange impression that Australia was first populated about 50,000 years ago.

Posted by: vanya at August 18, 2009 12:38 PM

And you're not "most people" either, but a unique little snowflake!

Posted by: John Emerson at August 18, 2009 01:47 PM

'nun' PC
The Diggers had a luv hate relationship with the Pommies, when I was assigned to work with them, I had know the difference between Queensbury rules and Queensland rules, and learn the rules of Kings Cross, Au not UK, and of course the dingo lingo.

Posted by: clodhopper at August 18, 2009 02:00 PM

Staying with (albeit less innovatively) swearing politicians, it may be worth noting that two of the leaders of the British Tories have had to apologize for (inter alia) their use of language in recent weeks:

The party leader, David Cameron, warned in an interview that "The trouble with Twitter, the instantness of it – too many twits might make a twat." and conceded that the public was rightly "pissed off" about the expenses scandal.

And the shadow leader of the Commons, Alan Duncan, was caught on hidden camera (around the 4:30 mark) complaining that MP's are now "living on rations" and "treated like shit".

Not terribly interesting, I know, but the media certainly had fun with it.

Posted by: Niels G. at August 18, 2009 02:20 PM

I was certainly not aware of that ....

Heh. It's damnably hard to get rid of the remnants of the old Eurocentric ways of presenting history!

Posted by: language hat at August 18, 2009 02:22 PM

Seriously, "twat" is something you have to apologized for, even if you used it only, um, metaphorically? One of our politicians called a female police officer a c**t to her face on tape and ... Nothing.

Posted by: bulbul at August 18, 2009 04:53 PM

(michael: I deleted all three, so rest easy. But that's why it's not generally a good idea to reply to spam comments, because they're going to get zapped. If the reply is funny enough, though, I sometimes leave the comment while deleting the spam URL.)

Posted by: language hat at August 18, 2009 06:43 PM

bulbulOne of our politicians called a female police officer a c**t to her face on tape and ... Nothing.
Jeremy Clarkson called Gordon Brown a cunt on British television recently, I think, though it wasn't broadcast. Also a one-eyed Scottish idiot, which was, even though the latter is arguably ruder in some circles.

Jeremy Clarkson went to Repton, as did Christopher Isherwood and Stuart Hampshire. His great-great-great grandfather invented the Kilner jar.

Posted by: A. J. P. Crown, D.Litt. at August 19, 2009 04:12 AM


As to Repton alumni, slightly more significant than the unpleasant Mr Clarkson is C B Fry.

Posted by: Picky at August 19, 2009 07:36 AM

C.B. Fry's ancestor didn't invent the Kilner jar, though.

Posted by: A.J.P. Crown at August 19, 2009 08:42 AM

And even more significant than C. B. Fry, Roald Dahl went to Repton. though he too had no Kilner connections.

Posted by: A.J.P. Crown at August 19, 2009 10:00 AM

Cunt 'fool' is distinctively British, I think, or most certainly not American. This seems to make it much more acceptable.

I came a gutser myself back in mid-June, and I'm still paying the price: taking antibiotics, wearing a large and rigid boot jocularly known as Das Boot -- [bu:t], of course, not [bo:t] -- and working from home.

Posted by: John Cowan at August 19, 2009 04:50 PM

She said: 'No, it was the twat.' He said: 'That's not a swear word.' I think he must be posh, where a lot of them don't think twat is a swear word. His press secretary went: 'It is.'

Posted by: mollymooly at August 19, 2009 08:32 PM

I noticed that Cameron said "soundbites have always bin used", which I don't think I (aged 56) would say myself.

John Cowan, I'm sorry you're wearing a large rigid boot. Do you wear it to bed? I have broken ribs, but bed is the only time it hurts now.

When I was a child, 'cunt' was interchangeable with 'idiot', 'tosser' and 'wanker', but I would have preferred being called a cunt to being called an idiot probably because it was more ambiguous. It could have meant I was powerful but mean.

Posted by: A.J.P. Crown at August 20, 2009 04:11 AM

I was amazed and horrified when I first heard British guys casually calling each other 'cunt' in a joking way.

In the states it's one of the biggest taboo words there is and calling a guy a cunt is liable to provoke a violent reaction.

On the other hand, I'd always thought that 'wanker' was a cute, jokey kind of word and was surprised to learn just how insulting it can be in British usage.

Posted by: michael farris at August 20, 2009 10:01 AM

calling a guy a cunt is liable to provoke a violent reaction

Really? I think calling an American guy a cunt is liable to provoke simple befuddlement in a lot of men. It's a very taboo word, but one that is almost never used, in my experience, by a man to insult another man. Just like calling a man a "bitch" would be odd in most contexts. Calling a woman a cunt is liable to provoke a violent reaction, I agree.

Posted by: vanya at August 20, 2009 11:26 AM

I'd always thought that 'wanker' was a cute, jokey kind of word and was surprised to learn just how insulting it can be
Yes, 'wanker' usually means inept, an incompetent blowhard.

'Wally' is a good word for idiot, I think.

Posted by: A.J.P. Crown at August 20, 2009 12:28 PM

I 'tort' the words were twit and cute in heavy muddied accent.

Posted by: clodhopper at August 20, 2009 01:47 PM

Crown: To sleep, no. To rest, yes, but only on practical grounds (it's exhausting to walk around with it, and I spend a few hours a day lying flat), because it's hard to put back on. It serves to keep pressure off an infection on the sole of my foot that isn't healing quickly.

Posted by: John Cowan at August 21, 2009 07:28 PM

That sounds much worse than my ribs. Sneezing is painful with broken ribs, I've found.

Posted by: A. J. P. Crown, D.Litt. at August 22, 2009 12:30 AM

I could have told you that, but you had to go find out for yourself.

Posted by: John Emerson at August 22, 2009 02:38 PM

Nij tells me it helps to squeeze a teddy bear or a cushion, but I just pinch my nose if I feel one coming on.

Posted by: AJP Captain at August 22, 2009 05:23 PM