Comments: POKORNY ONLINE.

The site is inaccessible now. I wonder if this is not due to over-exposure due to the no doubt thousands of Language Hat readers checking it out.
First the /. effect, now the Language Hat effect!
Congratulations!

Posted by Bill Poser at April 26, 2004 08:49 PM

damn! it's gone...

Posted by Anna at April 26, 2004 10:49 PM

Double damn.
*resolves to keep future discoveries close to his chest*

Posted by language hat at April 27, 2004 07:52 AM

The site works for me... I was reading in the Hungarian Nepszabadsag newspaper today about the Ashkali minority in Serbia. They are muslim, Albanian speaking Roma Gypsies from Kosova who don't want to be called Roma and who don't speak the Romani language. They can't get resettlement right within Serbia, but are afraid to go back to Kosovo because the local Albanian Kosovars see them as allies of the Serbs. The Serbs now see them merely as another Muslim, Albanian speaking problem group living in shanty towns on the outsklirts of Serb cities. It's a mess.

Wonderful place, Kosovo.

Posted by zaelic at April 27, 2004 08:45 AM

zaelic, you've got to write a book. I promise I'll not only buy a copy, I'll promote the hell out of it. You must know more about obscure twigs of the tree of humanity than anyone alive.

Posted by language hat at April 27, 2004 09:49 AM

You want to see a comparable piece of contrastive linguistic crackpotage, try this. The current version is somewhat less loony.

Posted by Scott Martens at April 27, 2004 10:50 AM

There is also a group of assimilated Roma around Lake Ochrid, in Macedonia, who call themselves Gupti, or Egyptians. (from which we get English 'gypsy' and greek 'yifti') Basically, in these regions where settled muslim Gypsies enjoyed a middle class status under the Ottomans, assimnilated Roma choose to rename themselves with the idea that they can shake the low status that accrues to the name "Gypsy."

In june I am back up in Maramures recording music from the Covaci clan of musician Gypsies. Same deal. A lot of small brown folk (who no longer speak Romanes) who play music, beg a lot, work as blacksmiths, never keep farm animals or own land loudly denying any connection with other Roma, while everybody around them calls them Gypsy.

Posted by zaelic at April 27, 2004 12:40 PM

The author must have created new links to ease the transfer from his site. Now it seems that the Illyrian mystery will no longer be temporarily out of work. The following links are valid:

Part I (*abh- to *dens-)
Part II (*deph- to *gou̯ǝ-/gū- 'hand')
Part III (*gou̯ǝ-/gū- 'call, cry' to *k̂ē(i)-)
Part IV (*k̂ēko- to *pid-)
Part V (*pik(h)o- to *su̯elplo-s)
Part VI (*su̯em- to *ū̆d-, plus a few additional lemmas)

Posted by Altin Gjoka at April 27, 2004 03:24 PM

the first part of Illyrian etymological dictionary

Posted by Altin Gjoka at April 27, 2004 03:28 PM

Here I found the first part of Illyrian etymological dictionary

Posted by Altin Gjoka at April 27, 2004 03:29 PM

http://us.share.geocities.com/iliria1/etymology1.html

Posted by Altin Gjoka at April 27, 2004 03:30 PM

Here I found the second part of the Illyrian etymological dictionary: http://us.share.geocities.com/agimzeneli/etymology2.html

Posted by Altin Gjoka at April 27, 2004 03:33 PM

Third part is right here: http://us.share.geocities.com/altingjoka/etymology3.html
The funniest thing - thius guy is using my name!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by Altin Gjoka at April 27, 2004 03:36 PM

The fourth part is here: http://us.share.geocities.com/kadrizhulali/etymology4.html
It seems to me that the author is using randomly Muslim names as domain names?!

Posted by Altin Gjoka at April 27, 2004 03:38 PM

There's hope.
http://titus.uni-frankfurt.de/curric/ied.htm
Indo-European Etymological Dictionary (IED)‎

A project of the Department of Comparative Linguistics, Leiden University
The aim of the project is twofold: 1) to create an Indo-European etymological data-base which, in ‎due time, will be available to the scholarly community on the Internet; and 2) to compile a new ‎Indo-European etymological dictionary, which will replace Julius Pokorny's Indogermanisches ‎etymologisches Wörterbuch (1959). Pokorny's masterpiece is an indispensable tool used by Indo-‎Europeanists for all kinds of research, but is completely outdated. A new dictionary is a long-felt ‎desideratum.

Amazon.com lists it at USD 595, but they do not quite promise that they can find ít...


Posted by anders at April 27, 2004 03:38 PM

Here comes the fifth part and the domain name seems rather Jewish: http://us.share.geocities.com/alijecipuri/etymology5.html

Posted by Altin Gjoka at April 27, 2004 03:40 PM

Finally I found the sixth part (I hope there are no more): http://www.geocities.com/andi2000pl/etymology6.html

Posted by Altin Gjoka at April 27, 2004 03:41 PM

http://us.share.geocities.com/iliria1/etymology1.html
http://us.share.geocities.com/agimzeneli/etymology2.html
http://us.share.geocities.com/altingjoka/etymology3.html
http://us.share.geocities.com/kadrizhulali/etymology4.html
http://us.share.geocities.com/alijecipuri/etymology5.html
http://www.geocities.com/andi2000pl/etymology6.html
displayed OK.

Posted by anders at April 27, 2004 03:48 PM

anders: I'm really looking forward to seeing the new dictionary -- Pokorny is definitely showing its age.

Altin, anders: Thanks for the links!

Posted by language hat at April 27, 2004 06:37 PM

Sir (whoever you are),

When I try one of the VI Parts of Pokorny-on-line,
I don't see most of the words quoted from
individual languages (probably those with
diacritic marks, but also words in Gothic).
Do you think this might be due to me
using Safari on a Mac OS 10.3.4?

In other words, do YOU have any problems
reading the files?

Thanks,

HC

Posted by H. CHALTIN at June 3, 2004 05:41 PM

Yes, I have a problem with that too. I don't know if there are browsers that let you see it properly, or if it's a problem with the source.

Posted by language hat at June 3, 2004 06:52 PM

Of all links included in this forum only http://www.geocities.com/andi2000pl/etymology6.html didn't work; I found that another mirror site instead though : http://www.geocities.com/iliria6

Posted by Altin Gjoka at July 10, 2004 03:51 AM