Comments: THE NEW SAPPHO.

The Greek text of this is a fascinating example of modern textual corruption. :)

Your text is originally from the classics-l list. There are two typos. There should be a space on line 5 (a spacing problem: "the spirit") and there's a pi-for-rho substitution in the last word of line 11.

(I tried to enter unicode in the comments, and it produced mush. I have a corrected version in PDF here.)

Posted by Wm Annis at June 30, 2005 07:06 PM

I'm not surprised about the textual corruption. Thanks for pointing out errors.

That would be "ὀ [θ]ῦμο̣ς̣" on line 5 and "ἔμαρψε" on line 11, right?

Then there's the problem that the first line of the translation is often quoted as "fragant-bosomed". But the TLS article signed by Martin West definitely said "fragant-blossomed". On the other hand, my amateurish attempts at figuring out the Μοίσαν ἰ]ο̣κ[ό]λ̣πων bit lead me to κόλ̣πος (cut-and-paste text entry, can't make out the diacritics), which should mean "bosom", not "blossom".

(Caelestis, are you reading this?)

Posted by Chris Waigl at June 30, 2005 07:23 PM

LSJ equates ἰό-κολπ-ος [ïó-kolp-os] with ἰό-ζων-ος [ïó-zōn-os] ‘with purple girdle’. West seems to be taking the compound as ‘with violet(-scented) bosom’, from ἴον [íön] ‘violet (flower)’ + κόλπος [kólpos] ‘bosom’. *^_^*

Posted by Angelo at June 30, 2005 08:11 PM

Many thanks to Wm Annis for correcting the typos and to Chris for providing the Unicode for me to paste in; I welcome any further corrections.

Posted by language hat at June 30, 2005 08:18 PM

Great to have a classics scholar around!

Hm, purple-bosomed somehow appeals to me.

Seriously though, you say "purple-girdled" and "fragrant-bosomed" would make some sense. (I can't spell "fragrant"; I don't think I've ever pronounced the word either.)

But then why did the TLS article say "fragrant-BLOSSOMED". Was the hardcopy version different? The Reuters wire cited West's translation differently from the article that appeared under his name.

Posted by Chris Waigl at June 30, 2005 08:28 PM

That’s an awesome meter:

x – ∪∪ – – ∪∪ – – ∪∪ – ∪ – x

Posted by Angelo at June 30, 2005 08:31 PM

(The on-line LSJ has ϊος [ïos] ‘of/belonging to a maiden’, so at first I was tempted to interpret it as ‘maiden-bosomed’! But I can’t find the word in the hardcopy LSJ, and the entry and linked texts seem to point to παρθενήιος [partʰenḗios], so there’s something funny going on apud Perse[a].)

Posted by Angelo at June 30, 2005 08:38 PM

(Please forgive the betacode...)

I see the I)O- prefix as I)/ON "violet" (or whatever flower it is). Hesiod uses I)OEIDH/S to describe the color of a spring (Theog. 3). So some flowery (colored?) item of clothing?

Posted by Wm Annis at June 30, 2005 09:01 PM

Angelo,

It is disturbing, indeed, and something has been obviously lost in the transition from print to online edition.
It can probably be explained by the fact that there is no specific entry for "parthenê'ïos" in the hardcopy Liddell-Scott (for the record, I am using the 1907 Greek edition, without the Supplement). Like most poetic forms, it is presented as a variant in the entry for "parthe'n-eios" (poet. -ê'ïos). The desinence -ê'ïos has been given an entry of its (her?) own, with what are actually the definition and examples of the whole word "parthenê'ïos", which in turn does have an entry in Slater's Lexicon to Pindar.

That is only one more thing that confuses me about that online edition, along with the lack of any accent notation (given the many problems with Unicode polytonic, I'm fine with the romanization, even though it slows down the reading, but how about marking the accented letters as you and I just did?).

Posted by Jimmy Ho at June 30, 2005 10:43 PM

The desinence -ê'ïos...

That should be -ïos, of course.

Posted by Jimmy Ho at June 30, 2005 10:47 PM

The ïos entry does indeed correspond exactly to the one for παρθεν-ειος on pg. 1139 of the 1996 edition, starting with -ήἴος. Other giveaways are that headword occurrences in the references are abbreviated p. and not i. and where the arrows at the bottom go.

Posted by MMcM at June 30, 2005 11:18 PM

Thanks! I've been hoping to read this since I started seeing the annoying teaser articles that always ended "buy our weekend edition to read it".

Posted by Matt at July 1, 2005 04:54 AM

You have no sword but you must Greek, eh?

Hahahahahaha! I kill me.

Posted by language hat at July 1, 2005 08:31 AM

Chris found the German translation. Iokolpos is rendered as purpurgegürteten 'purple-girdled'. Boh!

Posted by Angelo at July 1, 2005 01:54 PM

In regards to:

"I see the I)O- prefix as I)/ON "violet" (or whatever flower it is). Hesiod uses I)OEIDH/S to describe the color of a spring (Theog. 3). So some flowery (colored?) item of clothing?
Posted by: Wm Annis at June 30, 2005 09:01 PM"

I wonder if it is not the same references the Etrusci would have had to Springtime colors:
Pastel.
They were really into pastel polychroming on terra cotta for architecture and clothing. The Greek notions from the same general habitation area may have referenced something that was a common knowledge term in the Mediterranean at the time.
Cordially, Deb Huglin (I’m an Etruscologist, too…took a break from it while it was not particularly popular for some reason. I did not find them mysterious, and their places are really pretty homey rather than veiled in mists of something-or–other. Maybe it’s diesel fuel?)

Posted by Deb Huglin, Repatriation Archaeologist, MCO at July 2, 2005 05:12 PM

I Englished it more to my satisfaction here;

http://www.ablemuse.com/erato/ubbhtml/Forum24/HTML/000217.html

m.

Posted by graywyvern at July 5, 2005 10:34 AM

Those violet-wearing Muses' lovely gifts
and tuneful lyres enjoy, O maidens dear!

My own once tender body's hard with age;
this hair once ebony is changed to white.

A heavy heart – and slow, these faltering knees
that once would whirl me, dancing, like some fawn.

But why complain, when nothing can be done?
Necessity decrees we all grow old.

Tithonus, loved by rose-armed Dawn, we're told,
was carried by his love beyond the world:

comely, young – but Age still found him there
in time, despite his deathless wife's intent.

           — Translation © Noetica, 2005

Posted by Noetica at July 6, 2005 10:07 PM

Here are two new TLS translations of the new Sappho poem. I found the Morgan line "forgot that he would grow old and grey"--as we all just happen to--effective.


Sappho to Her Pupils

Live for the gifts the fragrant-breasted Muses
send, for the clear, the singing, lyre, my children.
Old age freezes my body, once so lithe,
rinses the darkness from my hair, now white.
My heart’s heavy, my knees no longer keep me
up through the dance they used to prance like fawns in.
Oh, I grumble about it, but for what?
Nothing can stop a person’s growing old.
They say that Tithonus was swept away
in Dawn’s passionate, rose-flushed arms to live
forever, but he lost his looks, his youth,
failing husband of an immortal bride.

LACHLAN MACKINNON


Sappho and the Weight of Years

Girls, be good to these spirits of music and poetry
that breast your threshold with their scented gifts.
Lift the lyre, clear and sweet, they leave with you.

As for me, this body is now so arthritic
I cannot play, hardly even hold the instrument.
Can you believe my white hair was once black?

And oh, the soul grows heavy with the body.
Complaining knee-joints creak at every move.
To think I danced as delicate as a deer!

Some gloomy poems came from these thoughts:
useless: we are all born to lose life,
and what is worse, girls, to lose youth.

The legend of the goddess of the dawn
I’m sure you know: how rosy Eos
madly in love with gorgeous young Tithonus

swept him like booty to her hiding-place
but then forgot he would grow old and grey
while she in despair pursued her immortal way.

EDWIN MORGAN

Posted by quiggin at July 14, 2005 06:49 PM

Thanks very much for that. What a wonderful poet Edwin Morgan is!

Posted by language hat at July 14, 2005 08:37 PM

Ahhh, much better now (looking at my bone white bangs reflected in the mirror of the monitor over her poems and laughing like Sappho at the sight of it.)

I still think it's pastel, or maybe the ancient version of paisley, who knows?

Posted by Deb Huglin at July 17, 2005 05:03 PM