Comments: TRUST HATHI, NOT GOOGLE.

The LanguageLog post on this subject left me very disturbed. The comments posted gave me the etymology of hathi for elephant, but also led me to the shocking discovery that the absence of etymology in my dead tree version of Platts is not replicated in the online version. Perhaps the Hathi Trust's service can help.

Posted by Stuart at September 17, 2008 08:40 PM

(This comment is also posted to LL.)

I'll just mention that it's very much worthwhile, if you've gotten a Google Books link through regular Google search, to do a Books-specific search from Google Advanced Book Search specifying the author and title. You can often find another entry that is full-text.

For example, if you search for the phrase "intrinsec service" [sic], the first hit is a Google Books link to Pollock & Maitland's The History of English Law Before the Time of Edward I. Unfortunately, it's a limited-page view dated 1996, a reprint, probably from the publisher. But if you do the advanced search for those authors and title, the first hit is the full text of the 1899 second edition, from a university library.

Disclaimer: I work for Google, but not on Book Search, and I don't know how it works specifically.

Posted by John Cowan at September 18, 2008 12:17 AM

Well, Mirlyn / Hathi Trust Search found one of three in my current document that Google Books had in snippet view, which isn't bad. I still don't understand why things end up listed in Mirlyn as Google Books snippet view and not Hathi when GB says the original (from before 1910) was from Michigan. But it's nice to have another thing to try.

Can't you limit the Google Books search to Full view only and get just the older edition listed? (Coming in from Google search, Search Books, then change Showing.) The technique John Cowan gives may still help in the case where the OCR of the older edition wasn't as good or the list was very long and the book you found originally isn't in the front of the Full view order.

Posted by MMcM at September 18, 2008 12:49 AM

Ben Zimmer's very useful post has led me back after an hour or so to the wiki List of Swedish Noble Families that John Emerson has mentioned a couple of times and I've finally got it, this stuff is fascinating. Here are a few of the names, roughly chronologically, but there are 2,350 in all, so plenty more distraction is available:
Puke, Snoilsky, Bååt, Natt och Dag, Creutzhammar, Urqvard, von Baggo, Gahn af Colquhoun, Gyldencrantz and Rosenstein (I can't find a Rosenstern). The list would make a good screensaver.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Swedish_noble_families

I think John may have said something about there not being any 'ordinary' Swedish names, which is true, but I've found that until the Vasa family (of Karl XII) took over in 1523 royal names included several Birgerssons, Erikssons and Knutssons. That may have something to do with the monarchy of Sweden having been an elected position or much of this past millennium.

Posted by Crown, A.J.P. at September 18, 2008 05:04 AM

Gustavus Vasa: founder of a dynasty, or freed slave -- or both?

Posted by John Emerson at September 18, 2008 09:07 AM

Olaudah Equiano, but apparently the Swedish Gustav used to compare himself to Moses.

Posted by Crown, A.J.P. at September 18, 2008 09:30 AM

Just slightly on-topic: I've found something to be more prevalent in the online corpora than I'd expected. Is selons just a typo for selon, evidently favored by English transcriptions of bits of French? Or is there something more going on?

Posted by MMcM at September 18, 2008 04:28 PM