Comments: IF SCHOOL KEEPS.

There's a British usage of "keeping term" which implies that the school is in session and the pupils ought to be there. Here's a link to a University usage:-

http://www.dur.ac.uk/resources/university.calendar/volumei/current/regs.keeping_terms.pdf

Posted by dearieme at September 24, 2008 10:02 PM

Come to think of it, there's a Scots usage "to keep school", "to keep church" that implies that he who does so is a regular attender. Perhaps that also gets turned round so that the school "keeps" implies that the school is open so the the laddy who "keeps school" can attend.

Posted by dearieme at September 24, 2008 10:28 PM

I've read it often enough, but not heard it or used it. I take "I don't care if school keeps or not" to be simply an emphatic form of "I don't care", the distinction between "school's in" and "school's out" being a fundamental one, at least to children.

Posted by John Cowan at September 24, 2008 10:34 PM

I remember hearing the phrase "so and so kept school" on old TV shows. The settings were usually small towns or rural areas in the mid-West and West, if I remember correctly.

I always assumed from the context that the phrase meant something like "taught class in a one-roomed school house". A google search turns up at least two examples that seem to confirm this interpretation, albeit in New England settings; one from a diary kept by a woman from Waterbury Conn. in 1819, and another from a history of Northfield Mass. in the 1770's. I'm sure a more thorough search would turn up more recent examples. (Sorry not to provide the links. I'm not sure how to do it on this site.)

I grew up in urban California. I've never used the phrase myself or heard it used except on TV.

Posted by emerson at September 25, 2008 12:35 AM

Well, "kept school" is a different construction, so I don't think it counts here. Interesting that John Cowan has "read it often enough"; I wonder how I've managed to miss it? It's a striking enough phrase I'm pretty sure I wouldn't have ignored it.

Posted by language hat at September 25, 2008 09:10 AM

DARE has an entry for this construction, "in phr _not to care whether school keeps or not_ and var; Fig: not to care what happens; to go one's own way. _somewhat old-fash_". They have examples from 1852 onwards. DARE doesn't give this any regional labelling; the three post-1930s examples are from Pennsylvania, Maine, and Michigan.

Posted by Jesse Sheidlower at September 25, 2008 10:52 AM

Thanks, I was wondering if it would be in DARE.

Posted by language hat at September 25, 2008 11:39 AM

Never heard it, never heard of it. Northern California, mother's family came in the Gold Rush - immigrated from upstate New York, previously from Massachussetts (1800 or so). The other side of that side came from France about the same time. The other other side is Irish, midwestern. Never heard the expression.

Posted by Jim at September 25, 2008 12:37 PM

Via Google books, an earlier citation than your 1845 one is this 1841 arithmetic book: "If the school keeps six hours every day, how many hours will a pupil be in school during six days?"

And this one from 1832.

Here's a timeline of news items using "school keeps or not", showing that it starts up mid 1800s and peters out after the 1960s. (Click on blue bars for specific citations.)

Posted by Martin at September 25, 2008 12:42 PM

Wow, that timeline is great—what a resource!

Posted by language hat at September 25, 2008 01:22 PM

how to keep a castle or be it stand in the castle keep

Posted by fimus scarabaeus at September 26, 2008 10:09 PM

"Experience keeps a dear school, but fools will learn in no other."

Attributed to Benjamin Franklin.

Posted by Bruce H. at September 30, 2008 04:25 PM