Has dementia set in for me already? I could have sworn I learned about Wordnik last week from you, prompting me to add it to my list of links, jion up and follow them on Twitter. If it wasn't you, I better visit Wordnik and investigate "losing it".
Posted by Stuart at June 22, 2009 09:06 PMGreat talk on YouTube! I looked up sculpin too through lack of imagination and next to the examples for the noun they also have:
an' I seed 'em killin' folks an' sculpin' uv 'em
which is not the noun sculpin at all but a form of a verb "to sculp" (meaning "to scalp" I suppose), so that is a glitch still.
Thanks MMcM. Nice to know my dotage remains on the rapidly approaching horizon and has not actually arrived.
Posted by Stuart at June 22, 2009 11:56 PM"which is not the noun sculpin at all but a form of a verb "to sculp" (meaning "to scalp" I suppose), so that is a glitch still."
It's a glitch in the right direction though. All it needs now is that note on it you just wrote, and that would fix the glitch. But without that citation, how else would someone figure out that use of "sculpin'"?
Posted by Jim at June 23, 2009 05:30 PMI didn't have any trouble understanding it. It sounds like an attempt to render some vernacular into written speech in the style of Huckleberry Finn.
Posted by Nijma at June 23, 2009 11:09 PMNijma, of course the sentence is quite understandable the way it is, but if you had read the word "sculpin' in a regular dictionary under the same entry as the noun sculpin 'a type of fish' the occurrence of two such different meanings would have been extremely strange. In this case, the computer program is not (yet) able to separate sculpin' from sculpin (but sculpin's would have to be kept with sculpin).
Posted by marie-lucie at June 23, 2009 11:44 PMSo sculpin' is no more a real word than 'cuz or gonna.
Posted by Nijma at June 24, 2009 02:07 AMSculpin' here is a dialectal form of scalping (or more precisely, to sculp is a dialectal form of to scalp). 'cuz is a contracted, dialectal form of because. gonna is a contraction of going to.
The written sculpin', like the rest of the sentence, is an attempt to reproduce the dialectal speaker's pronunciation, but in order to know the exact pronunciation (eg to reenact the interview, or to place the speaker's origin in one region or another) one would have to either listen to the original recording or get a precise transcription done by a phonetician. We cannot take for granted that the speaker who said sculpin' rather than scalpin' used the same vowel as in the noun sculpin (or skull for a more common word), only that that was the way the recorder transcribed it.
Posted by marie-lucie at June 24, 2009 07:18 AMa TED talk...an hour long
The linked talk is actually -- disappointingly -- only sixteen minutes long. I couldn't find a longer one on the site either.
Posted by jamessal at June 26, 2009 05:31 PMI'd think Urban Dictionary would deserve to be mentioned in her talk?
Posted by rd at June 28, 2009 03:52 AMOliver Wendell Holmes on the sculpin, which (in The Professor at the Breakfast-Table) is the nickname for a deformed fellow-lodger:
Now the Sculpin (Cottus Virginianus) is a little water-beast which pretends to consider itself a fish, and, under that pretext, hangs about the piles upon which West-Boston Bridge is built, swallowing the bait and hook intended for flounders. On being drawn from the water, it exposes an immense head, a diminutive bony carcass, and a surface so full of spines, ridges, ruffles, and frills, that the naturalists have not been able to count them without quarrelling about the number, and that the colored youth, whose sport they spoil, do not like to touch them, and especially to tread on them, unless they happen to have shoes on, to cover the thick white soles of their broad black feet.
Posted by Graham Asher at June 30, 2009 04:34 PMI couldn't find a longer one on the site either.
TED talks are limited to 18 minutes, aren't they?
Posted by MMcM at June 30, 2009 05:57 PMMaybe I was thinking of another talk; I know there was an hour-long one.
Posted by language hat at June 30, 2009 06:10 PMMaybe I was thinking of another talk; I know there was an hour-long one.
Maybe this is it? I haven't watched it yet, but I will -- I'm on vacation!
TED talks are limited to 18 minutes, aren't they?
Browsing the site just now, I found a couple near-half-hour ones.
Posted by jamessal at June 30, 2009 06:33 PMYes! That's the one!
Posted by language hat at June 30, 2009 07:57 PM