I'd always wondered about that rather posh-sounding name.
You mention the Wikipedia dispute; the book sounds so authoritative. Does he cite sources and mention when etymologies aren't that rock-solid?
Posted by AJP Crown at July 21, 2009 05:05 AMI don't know this particular book, but I read and was greatly impressed by another book by Stewart many years ago -- too long ago to remember how good he is at referencing things, but he is (was?) clearly the authority on his subject.
The great advantage of US place names over (say) European place names is that there is often a historical record saying who gave a place a name and why, whereas in Europe it is mostly a matter of guessing, and, according to Stewart, usually guessing wrongly. One of his central points (clearly supported by documentary data for the US) is that places tend to get named for something unexpected, not for something routine. A creek in the Rockies where wolves frequently congregated in the time of settlers will almost certainly not get called "Wolf Creek", whereas if one wolf was once seen in a place where no wolf had ever been seen before the place might easily get called "Wolf Creek".
Posted by Athel Cornish-Bowden at July 21, 2009 08:17 AMThe book originally came out in 1944 and due to wartime restrictions had no references; he added a Notes and References section at the end for the 1958 edition, saying "references and citations are given when the source of information is not clear from the text and when it is to be found in some out-of-the-way document, or when a debatable question is involved," and it turns out there is a note to this passage, which I will add to the post—thanks for prompting me to find it!
Posted by language hat at July 21, 2009 08:36 AMThanks, both of you.
Posted by AJP Crown at July 21, 2009 10:53 AM"Wartime restrictions" precluded the use of notes and references? You mean a paper shortage?
Posted by SnowLeopard at July 21, 2009 11:18 AMYes, his full phrase is "wartime restrictions on paper."
Posted by language hat at July 21, 2009 12:07 PMFrom the city's website:
'No one knows for sure where Newport News got its name, but “Newportes Newes” first appears in the Virginia Company records in 1619, making it one of the oldest place names in the New World. The most widely accepted folktale is that our city is the namesake of Captain Christopher Newport, commander of Susan Constant, flagship of the three ship English fleet that landed on Jamestown Island in 1607. He made several voyages to Newport News in the early days of the Jamestown Colony, bringing "good news" of supplies and settlers.'
http://www.newport-news.org/
It sounds like the city ought to buy a copy of Names on the Land.
Posted by AJP Crow at July 21, 2009 05:55 PMGannett seems to say that it's named for both Capt. Newce and Capt. Newport.
Off topic: a recent copy of the BU alumni magazine that we picked up free in the library's swap bin has an article on teaching Ajami there as part of African Studies. Note the note left by Austin, whose book came up in an earlier discussion here.
Posted by MMcM at July 21, 2009 10:41 PMI am disappointed to find that that local newspaper in Newport News is called the "Daily Press".
Posted by mollymooly at July 22, 2009 06:09 AMNote the note left by Austin, whose book came up in an earlier discussion here.
Thanks for the great BU link, but I don't see a reference to Austin's book in the earlier discussion (which was splendid).
Posted by language hat at July 22, 2009 07:24 AMI agree, Molly. What a missed opportunity.
Posted by AJP Crowbar at July 22, 2009 09:21 AMI don't see a reference to Austin's book in the earlier discussion
Oh, sorry. Indirect reference. Follow the very last link (in second to last post) to this Boston Phoenix article from July '98. (Which means it would have been when we had The Weekly Week, although that was deliberate, of course.)
Posted by MMcM at July 22, 2009 09:56 AMOh, and Roger's paper, which seems to be the latest of citation above, is available in JSTOR. It cites Evans, which also appears to be the source for the latest reference in the ANS's journal, Names.
Posted by MMcM at July 22, 2009 10:10 AM'....first appears in the Virginia Company records in 1619, making it one of the oldest place names in the New World. "
One of the oldest *English* place names in the New World. There are loads of much older names all over the US, not to mention the rest of the New World.
Posted by Jim at July 22, 2009 03:14 PMAccording to logainm.ie, there's no Newcetown anywhere in Ireland, but there is a townland called Newstown in Co. Carlow.
Posted by Eimear Ní Mhéalóid at July 22, 2009 03:29 PMThere is a Newcestown in Co. Cork.
Posted by language hat at July 22, 2009 06:40 PM