Not exactly on topic, but you might be interested in knowing that the Mongol word for "dharma" is "nom", from the Greek "nomos". The Mongols were influenced by Christianity and probably Manichaeism before they became Buddhists. (Chinggis Qan's daughter was a devout scripture-reading Christian, as well as a local military leader).
The transmission was probably Greek -- Aramaic -- Sogdian -- Turkish -- Mongol.
According to the Old OED, the word "horde" is from the Mongol "ordos" but assimiliated to the Germanic "hoard". Perhaps Europeans thought of the "ordos" as a "shapeless heap of barbarians", but the Mongol word means the patrimony and followers of a leader (like the Norse "hirde" maybe?) and is more like an "order" than a "hoard".
Aware that by now I'm diverging into pure free-association, Anglo-Saxon "gumann" = "man", as does the Mongol "kymyn" (where "y" = umlauted "u").
Coincidence? Almost certainly, but it's fun.
the Mongol word for "dharma" is "nom", from the Greek "nomos"
Chinggis Qan's daughter was a devout scripture-reading Christian, as well as a local military leader
The hell with topic, if you've got stuff as interesting as that to say, you can stick it in whatever comment box you like!
According to the New OED, the word "horde" is "Ultimately ad. Turk orda, camp (see URDU), whence Russ. ordá horde, clan, crowd, troop, Pol. horda, Ger., Da. horde, Sw. hord, It. orda, Sp., Pr. horda, F. horde (1559 in Hatz.-Darm.). The initial h appears in Polish, and thence in the Western European languages. The various forms horda, horde, hord were due to the various channels through which the word came into Eng." This agrees with the AHD, which says "Ultimately... from Old Turkic ordu." I assume the Mongols borrowed it from the Turks.
Posted by language hat at June 30, 2003 11:24 PMHey Steve, happy birthday! :)
Posted by Renee at July 1, 2003 11:28 AMFinally I have found out what " horder, horder " means when shouted out by the Speaker in the 'ouse of commons."shapeless heap of barbarians shut your gob".
Posted by dungbeetle at July 2, 2003 12:08 AMHi,
It is not true.
There are many original mongolian words consist of two or three letters.
an am ah at
on om ol or o
nom num nam nem nim
OKE.
Also
ord ard urd erd ...
Late comment, but anyway... So, am I correct to assume that herd, Swedish hjord has the same etymology?
Posted by Tore at April 27, 2005 04:27 AMNope, that's native. The OED says Germanic *herdâ- is from pre-Germanic *kerdhâ (cf. Skr. çárdha-s troop, OSlav. čręda herd, flock); Merriam-Webster adds Middle Welsh cordd troop and Lithuanian kerdzius shepherd.
Posted by language hat at April 27, 2005 09:02 AMIsn't there a Greek word Ordos, meaning something like the natural way of things?
Posted by Kazik at August 12, 2006 10:06 PMI suspect you're thinking of Latin ordo 'arrangement' (the source of English order).
Posted by language hat at August 13, 2006 08:32 AM